In these provocative and penetrating discussions, Roy and Cusack discuss the nature of the state, empire and surveillance in an era of perpetual war; the meaning of flags and patriotism; the role of foundations and NGOs in limiting dissent; and the ways in which capital but not people can freely cross borders.

An account of the extraordinary meeting between four brilliant political activists- Booker Prize winner Arundhati Roy, NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden, Pentagon Papers insider Daniel Ellsberg and acclaimed actor John Cusack ‘What sort of love is this love that we have for countries? What sort of country is it that will ever live up to our dreams? What sort of dreams were these that have been broken?’

In 2014, four people met in secret in a hotel room in Moscow. Each was a leading global advocate for government transparency and accountability- they had come together to talk. Over the course of two days, Arundhati Roy, Edward Snowden, John Cusack and Daniel Ellsburg shared ideas and beliefs - about the Vietnam War and the Pentagon Papers, the NSA and the ongoing crises in the Middle East, the American government and the nature of activism. Co-authored by Roy and Cusack, and interleaving verbatim conversations with narrated recollections, this Penguin Special captures an historic moment. Interrogating the geopolitical forces that shape our world, it is both political and personal, activist and humanist - irreverent, funny and absolutely urgent. In Things That Can and Cannot Be Said, Arundhati Roy and John Cusack issue a powerful rallying cry, a call to resistance against America’s ongoing, malign hegemony.